E85, E90, MR12,???

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Re: E85, E90, MR12,???

Post by vcyclenut » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:45 pm


There have been a few FB posts about it

cOoTeR wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:23 pm
vcyclenut wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:34 pm as cooter said only e85 would be an option for street riding, I was going to make an e85 map but after having issues with the fuel injectors in my car from running e85 IMO its not worth the hassle. The high ethanol content makes it attract water and it actually gummed up my injectors after only sitting a couple weeks in my car.

For weight savings, the exhaust is huge, removing things that arent necessary , light weight battery
next id say carbon wheels( i can get you a great price), then its going to get tough and expensive


We all like to get eveything we can from out bikes, but do keep in mind the H2sx is not the same as an h2 and there are plenty of people reporting motor failures when chasing every hp, so proceed with caution and make sure your tuner understands this.
I haven't heard of any motor failures yet. Where are they being reported?
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Re: E85, E90, MR12,???

Post by cOoTeR » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:59 am


Crown Hill wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:44 am I am mainly only after the 230 or 240 hp. Everything else is keeping things cool and limiting the possibility of detonation. I am sure some H2 have blown just from being abused and miss undrstood. I am a kawasaki brand fan and think they have it figured out. We have to do our part though. That's why this forum is so cool. Thanks everyone.
After I finish getting my bike so it will pass tech at land speed events I'm going to work on an intercooler set up. I don't think that an intercooler will be needed unless you are riding the bike in a situation where it is possible to keep the rpms up high for an extended period of time. But I think the intercooler is the best bet for preventing detonation along with using quality fuel.
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Re: E85, E90, MR12,???

Post by vcyclenut » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:10 pm


my intake temps were around 190 yesterday on my top end run from my data logs not the dash, for top end runs an intercooler is a great idea
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Re: E85, E90, MR12,???

Post by cOoTeR » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:37 pm


Crown Hill wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:34 am
cOoTeR wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:59 am
Crown Hill wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:44 am I am mainly only after the 230 or 240 hp. Everything else is keeping things cool and limiting the possibility of detonation. I am sure some H2 have blown just from being abused and miss undrstood. I am a kawasaki brand fan and think they have it figured out. We have to do our part though. That's why this forum is so cool. Thanks everyone.
After I finish getting my bike so it will pass tech at land speed events I'm going to work on an intercooler set up. I don't think that an intercooler will be needed unless you are riding the bike in a situation where it is possible to keep the rpms up high for an extended period of time. But I think the intercooler is the best bet for preventing detonation along with using quality fuel.
I agree. For now I am going to mix in a higher octane fuel. I live near a drag strip and I think I can get 103 or 105. What think about mixing 4 gallons 93 and 1 gallon 103 - 105 octane.
I don't think it's a good idea. Your not going to benefit from it unless the bike is tuned for it. Mixing fuels adds a lot of variables and could create inconsistencies in the quality.
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Full vandemon exhaust with tune 221whp 99ft.lbs
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Re: E85, E90, MR12,???

Post by 57x » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:39 pm


There are a few big issues with E85. I run it in my race car, but am careful to get consistent numbers and limit damage to my fuel system and engine.

1) E85 is almost never 85 ethanol / 15 gasoline. It is usually less.
2) Ethanol is a water sponge. You need to deal with this when you fill up, and how long it is in the tank.
3) Ethanol is very corrosive. Read the manual from Ford or GM sometime on E85 setup vehicles. They recommend much shorter oil change intervals.

I have a tool I bought from Summit called Quick Fuel to check the alcohol mix percentage each time I add fuel. I set my car up at E75 as the pumps I go to are never below that, and are never up to E85. I check the percentage in a sample when I purchase fuel, run a calculation and add gasoline to achieve E75. To note, gasoline is typically an 8- carbon chain while ethanol is a 2-carbon chain. It is why it takes more ethanol to make the same power as gasoline. I'm simple terms, if the ethanol to gasoline mix varies, so does your power. Let's compound the mixing of regular gasoline typically containing 10% (inconsistently) ethanol. I make sure to mix my E75 with no known ethanol gasoline.

I have a funnel I bought from Schnitz to help separate water from the E85 as I pump. Not fool-proof but helpful.

E85 is mixed with Regular 87 octane gasoline. I mix mine to E75 with 100 octane fuel to reduce detonation issues, again having no ethanol.

I purge my fuel from the fuel system when I am done each time. I went completely through my fuel system in my race car to eliminate all steel from the fuel system. I replaced all the o-rings with vinton o-rings.

E85 can be as painful as buying cans of fuel. It is way cheaper, which is why I am willing to go through this pain. I run my race car on the street occasionally, which has a dual ignition system. I have my E75 tune and my "safe" tune if I have to run straight E85 so I can limp home and not put a hole in a piston.
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Re: E85, E90, MR12,???

Post by cOoTeR » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:46 pm


vcyclenut wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:10 pm my intake temps were around 190 yesterday on my top end run from my data logs not the dash, for top end runs an intercooler is a great idea
How did the dash display compare to the logs?
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Re: E85, E90, MR12,???

Post by vcyclenut » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:58 pm


cOoTeR wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:46 pm
vcyclenut wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:10 pm my intake temps were around 190 yesterday on my top end run from my data logs not the dash, for top end runs an intercooler is a great idea
How did the dash display compare to the logs?
call me a pusswa but I wasn't looking down at that when I was doing my run, lol
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