What have you raced and what was the result.

[wellcraft]

FJR 1300 was a 5 speed and the rider is at least 60 lbs lighter than me. He in 5th, me in 6th. His bike has a full Muzzy 4 / 1 exhaust and a Power Commander that is dialed in. My H2SXSE was stock except that I had put a Sprint filter in it, no re-flash at that time, my bike had about 1000 miles on it than. FJR is not a race bike but is tuned more towards mid-range & low end so we were both impressed how badly the H2 ran off from him.

I just bought my 2018 H2SXSE a month ago but I've been sick plus the weather hasn't cooperated so I only have a little over 500 miles on the clock. I've been reading a lot of threads concerning the H2SXSE and it seems lots of riders have installed a sprint filter so my question is what advantages does the sprint filter offer over the standard OEM filter. Thanks

[cOoTeR]

FJR 1300 was a 5 speed and the rider is at least 60 lbs lighter than me. He in 5th, me in 6th. His bike has a full Muzzy 4 / 1 exhaust and a Power Commander that is dialed in. My H2SXSE was stock except that I had put a Sprint filter in it, no re-flash at that time, my bike had about 1000 miles on it than. FJR is not a race bike but is tuned more towards mid-range & low end so we were both impressed how badly the H2 ran off from him.

I just bought my 2018 H2SXSE a month ago but I've been sick plus the weather hasn't cooperated so I only have a little over 500 miles on the clock. I've been reading a lot of threads concerning the H2SXSE and it seems lots of riders have installed a sprint filter so my question is what advantages does the sprint filter offer over the standard OEM filter. Thanks

Better airflow. I think vcyclenut did a dyno run with just the filter and it added 8-12hp if I remember correctly. The biggest bang for your buck performance wise is a derestriction/ tune/ flash. That'll give you around 50+hp.

[Zdude]

Wellcraft, Cooter is exactly right that Vcyclenut did the Spring filter dyno test and found it alone, without any reflash was worth around 8 hp. That shows just 1 part of the restriction these bikes come from Kawasaki with, the reflash is the biggest boost though and not only a boost but makes the bike much easier to ride and enjoy with a better throttle response. Hope you get feeling better and are able to enjoy your bike, it's one of the best!

[cOoTeR]

Did you try 2 at all? I know 3, you can damn well bounce off the limiter and dump the clutch and it wont lift the wheel at all.

Snake's comment got me thinking (as a new H2 owner). What can one expect (with respect to wheelies) with each level of traction control?

Mine is set to 2 but I have no idea what to expect so I've been treating the bike like my old ZX14 which has no wheelie control at all.

How you're sitting on the bike has a big effect on how the bike power wheelies. (In TC 1) If you're sitting back on the seat and straight up and down the front will come up pretty easily. If the fronts coming up fast It will get higher before the TC kicks in. If you get forward on the seat and get your chest on the tank the front will barely lift with TC 1 under full throttle acceleration. It'll come up a few inches and carry the front wheel from about 7k-11k rpms. You won't really feel it kick in. In stock setup the TC worked great. But with a flash exhaust and tune the front comes up a lot faster and easier. The TC on this bike is way better than the TC on my 2012 ZX-10R. I about looped my 10R with the traction control on. My avatar picture is me waiting for it to kick in and bring the front down during a power wheelie.

I'll let it kick in but when racing it can slow your momentum so I don't really just pin it and let the bike sort it out, but I don't try to make sure it never comes on either.

You can put the bike in TC3 and do a few full throttle pulls and see what it does. Then when you get used to that try TC2. Then TC1 and once you get comfortable with that put it in TC2 again and try launch control. Then try it in TC1. In stock form you probably won't notice TC kicking in too much.

Really good explanation on seating position regarding power wheelies. I'm curious as to how high a stock bike will lift before TC1 kicks in. I kind of chicken-out once the front lifts imo to high because I don't wanna flip the bike. I neither had a bike this expensive nor with his much power and traction control before so I don't have any experience with the system preventing flip-overs. Do you think it is to be trusted? :P

This is probably going to be a long post please read the whole thing. Short answer is no do not fully trust it, in a perfect scenario it is possible to "overwhelm" the system and it may not be able to keep up.

Look at my avatar picture, that's me on my old 2012 ZX-10R. There were 2 pictures taken at the perfect time and I posted them here. That wheelie was not international. A little backstory on it. I was at a 1/2 mile event for the second time on my bike. It was 2/3 exhaust system, airfilter, tune, aftermarket quick shifter, -1,+2 sprockets, lowered and strapped (I left about 2" of travel in the forks). My mph was down by about 5mph or so and I was getting a little frustrated trying to figure it out. One difference I noticed was I wasn't really going full throttle as soon and I wasn't keeping it held wide open. I decided to throw caution to the wind and go wide open as soon as possible and let the TC do the work. I took off went wide open, as it went through first gear the front lifted pretty high and fast, at redline I hit the quick shifter as the TC kicked in. I kept the throttle wide open but because of the QS and TC cutting ignition at the sabe time the front slammed down. I felt the forks bottom out but kept the throttle pinned. As soon as the front bottomed out the power was coming back in causing the front to spring back up like a pogo stick. I was fully tucked and focused on the tach. I knew the front was lifting and lost sight of the horizon behind the tach so I didn't realize how fast it was lifting. I had faith that the TC was going to keep everything under control and stayed at 100% throttle. Next thing I know I suddenly feel like I'm tipping over backwards. You know the feeling of leaning back in a chair too far it felt like that but well over 100mph. I instinctively tried to get my feet under me but immediately regretted that. As soon as I did it I realized my only hope of saving it was too tap the rear brake. I slammed the throttle shut as I heard the TC starting to kick in. The front came down really hard slamming my chest into the tank with only ~2" of suspension travel knocking the wind out of me. Somehow I kept the bike straight and brought it around to the pits. Several people came by to tell me how cool or awesome it was and I explained it was not intentional. I'm pretty sure I broke a couple ribs on that, it was bruised and hurt to breathe for about a month.

The H2 SX has a better TC system especially with the IMU. But I wouldn't 100% rely on it. At the last 1/2 mile event i attended my friend that was there said he was surprised at how high the TC was letting the front lift. He said it was well beyond 45°. I know stock it never came up that high. It will most likely keep it from looping on a stock bike but anything can happen. It will probably keep a highly modified bike from looping but there's a chance it might not. I personally trust it but won't rely on it.

[Kwee]

Did you try 2 at all? I know 3, you can damn well bounce off the limiter and dump the clutch and it wont lift the wheel at all.

Snake's comment got me thinking (as a new H2 owner). What can one expect (with respect to wheelies) with each level of traction control?

Mine is set to 2 but I have no idea what to expect so I've been treating the bike like my old ZX14 which has no wheelie control at all.

How you're sitting on the bike has a big effect on how the bike power wheelies. (In TC 1) If you're sitting back on the seat and straight up and down the front will come up pretty easily. If the fronts coming up fast It will get higher before the TC kicks in. If you get forward on the seat and get your chest on the tank the front will barely lift with TC 1 under full throttle acceleration. It'll come up a few inches and carry the front wheel from about 7k-11k rpms. You won't really feel it kick in. In stock setup the TC worked great. But with a flash exhaust and tune the front comes up a lot faster and easier. The TC on this bike is way better than the TC on my 2012 ZX-10R. I about looped my 10R with the traction control on. My avatar picture is me waiting for it to kick in and bring the front down during a power wheelie.

I'll let it kick in but when racing it can slow your momentum so I don't really just pin it and let the bike sort it out, but I don't try to make sure it never comes on either.

You can put the bike in TC3 and do a few full throttle pulls and see what it does. Then when you get used to that try TC2. Then TC1 and once you get comfortable with that put it in TC2 again and try launch control. Then try it in TC1. In stock form you probably won't notice TC kicking in too much.

Really good explanation on seating position regarding power wheelies. I'm curious as to how high a stock bike will lift before TC1 kicks in. I kind of chicken-out once the front lifts imo to high because I don't wanna flip the bike. I neither had a bike this expensive nor with his much power and traction control before so I don't have any experience with the system preventing flip-overs. Do you think it is to be trusted? :P

The front goes up really high. Like you i don't wanna flip my bike so i shut the throttle when i feel the front goes really high. I try to fight that and let the bike do its things but it's hard x)

[wellcraft]

Wellcraft, Cooter is exactly right that Vcyclenut did the Spring filter dyno test and found it alone, without any reflash was worth around 8 hp. That shows just 1 part of the restriction these bikes come from Kawasaki with, the reflash is the biggest boost though and not only a boost but makes the bike much easier to ride and enjoy with a better throttle response. Hope you get feeling better and are able to enjoy your bike, it's one of the best!

Zdude/Cooter, Thanks for the detailed explanation I appreciate it. Where might I purchase a sprint air filter and is installation a DIY job? Thanks again

[Snakes709]

Cooter I have a similar picture. Was practicing wheelies on my 08 ZX6R and lost my footing so I couldn't use the rear brake. I was sliding back and down, causing me to pull back more on the handle bars and throttle. Finally my brain said close the throttle, came down hard and kinda got into a little tank slapper. Since then im really hesitant about wheelies.

[Zdude]

Wellcraft, Vcyclenut has them and also is very good with his reflash, plus he's a board member too! His pricing will likely save you a few $$$ and he's a great source of support.

[stk0308]

FJR 1300 was a 5 speed and the rider is at least 60 lbs lighter than me. He in 5th, me in 6th. His bike has a full Muzzy 4 / 1 exhaust and a Power Commander that is dialed in. My H2SXSE was stock except that I had put a Sprint filter in it, no re-flash at that time, my bike had about 1000 miles on it than. FJR is not a race bike but is tuned more towards mid-range & low end so we were both impressed how badly the H2 ran off from him.

I just bought my 2018 H2SXSE a month ago but I've been sick plus the weather hasn't cooperated so I only have a little over 500 miles on the clock. I've been reading a lot of threads concerning the H2SXSE and it seems lots of riders have installed a sprint filter so my question is what advantages does the sprint filter offer over the standard OEM filter. Thanks

The previously mentioned HP gain is nice, but I bought the Sprint filter because it's cleanable, and reusable. This thing sucks up dirt, and trash, from the air at a stunning rate. Replacing with the OEM filter at the rate required would be hideously expensive.

[dan_h2sx]

Snake's comment got me thinking (as a new H2 owner). What can one expect (with respect to wheelies) with each level of traction control?

Mine is set to 2 but I have no idea what to expect so I've been treating the bike like my old ZX14 which has no wheelie control at all.

How you're sitting on the bike has a big effect on how the bike power wheelies. (In TC 1) If you're sitting back on the seat and straight up and down the front will come up pretty easily. If the fronts coming up fast It will get higher before the TC kicks in. If you get forward on the seat and get your chest on the tank the front will barely lift with TC 1 under full throttle acceleration. It'll come up a few inches and carry the front wheel from about 7k-11k rpms. You won't really feel it kick in. In stock setup the TC worked great. But with a flash exhaust and tune the front comes up a lot faster and easier. The TC on this bike is way better than the TC on my 2012 ZX-10R. I about looped my 10R with the traction control on. My avatar picture is me waiting for it to kick in and bring the front down during a power wheelie.

I'll let it kick in but when racing it can slow your momentum so I don't really just pin it and let the bike sort it out, but I don't try to make sure it never comes on either.

You can put the bike in TC3 and do a few full throttle pulls and see what it does. Then when you get used to that try TC2. Then TC1 and once you get comfortable with that put it in TC2 again and try launch control. Then try it in TC1. In stock form you probably won't notice TC kicking in too much.

Really good explanation on seating position regarding power wheelies. I'm curious as to how high a stock bike will lift before TC1 kicks in. I kind of chicken-out once the front lifts imo to high because I don't wanna flip the bike. I neither had a bike this expensive nor with his much power and traction control before so I don't have any experience with the system preventing flip-overs. Do you think it is to be trusted? :P

This is probably going to be a long post please read the whole thing. Short answer is no do not fully trust it, in a perfect scenario it is possible to "overwhelm" the system and it may not be able to keep up.

Look at my avatar picture, that's me on my old 2012 ZX-10R. There were 2 pictures taken at the perfect time and I posted them here. That wheelie was not international. A little backstory on it. I was at a 1/2 mile event for the second time on my bike. It was 2/3 exhaust system, airfilter, tune, aftermarket quick shifter, -1,+2 sprockets, lowered and strapped (I left about 2" of travel in the forks). My mph was down by about 5mph or so and I was getting a little frustrated trying to figure it out. One difference I noticed was I wasn't really going full throttle as soon and I wasn't keeping it held wide open. I decided to throw caution to the wind and go wide open as soon as possible and let the TC do the work. I took off went wide open, as it went through first gear the front lifted pretty high and fast, at redline I hit the quick shifter as the TC kicked in. I kept the throttle wide open but because of the QS and TC cutting ignition at the sabe time the front slammed down. I felt the forks bottom out but kept the throttle pinned. As soon as the front bottomed out the power was coming back in causing the front to spring back up like a pogo stick. I was fully tucked and focused on the tach. I knew the front was lifting and lost sight of the horizon behind the tach so I didn't realize how fast it was lifting. I had faith that the TC was going to keep everything under control and stayed at 100% throttle. Next thing I know I suddenly feel like I'm tipping over backwards. You know the feeling of leaning back in a chair too far it felt like that but well over 100mph. I instinctively tried to get my feet under me but immediately regretted that. As soon as I did it I realized my only hope of saving it was too tap the rear brake. I slammed the throttle shut as I heard the TC starting to kick in. The front came down really hard slamming my chest into the tank with only ~2" of suspension travel knocking the wind out of me. Somehow I kept the bike straight and brought it around to the pits. Several people came by to tell me how cool or awesome it was and I explained it was not intentional. I'm pretty sure I broke a couple ribs on that, it was bruised and hurt to breathe for about a month.

The H2 SX has a better TC system especially with the IMU. But I wouldn't 100% rely on it. At the last 1/2 mile event i attended my friend that was there said he was surprised at how high the TC was letting the front lift. He said it was well beyond 45°. I know stock it never came up that high. It will most likely keep it from looping on a stock bike but anything can happen. It will probably keep a highly modified bike from looping but there's a chance it might not. I personally trust it but won't rely on it.

Thank you for your detailed explanation! Dude that ZX10R wheelie is savage! Glad you saved it!
I think I gotta have a little more faith in the system haha. Sure as hell I won't fully rely on it!
I just need to practise and get more experience with when and how far & fast it lifts. If I can precisely get it to power wheelie when I want to, I can learn how TC1 behaves. At the moment I'm at the point where it doesn't lift even if I try to, then suddenly lifts when it's no supposed to. :/
Yesterday I rode a tuned 2019 SE+ with 236whp and with the correct seating position it pulled a wheelie like mine does when you sit on it wrong. I'm not sure if I wanna de-restrict and tune it though cause it's quite expensive with very benefit for my kind of riding. But that's just my personal opinion. At the moment the only upgrades I've made is a Sprint Filter P08 and I only fill it up with at least 98, but mostly 100 octane gas.