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Re: ECU Flashing

Post by WR-NA » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:43 am


JonTheChron wrote:
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Re: ECU Flashing

Post by JonTheChron » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:11 am


WR-NA wrote:
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Wool - itch
Done. :)
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Re: ECU Flashing

Post by cOoTeR » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:18 pm


After riding mine kinda hard to believe that the throttle bodies are starting to close around 6,500 rpms. It just keeps accelerating.
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Re: ECU Flashing

Post by cOoTeR » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:25 pm


vcyclenut wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:53 pm
cOoTeR wrote:
Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:54 pm
WR-NA wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:19 pm
Ninja H2SX wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:44 am
Gotta have stiffer valve springs to keep the valves from "floating" at high RPM. Therefore, raising the H2SX's RPM limit any more than 500 RPM could be a dangerous thing to do.
Winner winner chicken dinner!
I'm going to see what my tuner says about it when I take the bike in (If I ever get it?). I just thought I'd see what the consensus is here first.

I did have another question about the woolich tuning and flash. With woolich does the flash make it so that the TC and power modes can be adjusted while the bike it's moving? Also do the TC and riding mode stay in the last setting when the bike is turned off and on?
I haven't looked at the file yet to see if that stuff is adjustable, but usually things like that are not.


all my current bike the power mode is adjustable on the fly as long as the throttle is closed.

and I would be surprised if you can not program the bike to stay on your preferred TC, engine braking, and riding mode. More then surprised id be disappointed
The TC and Power Modes don't adjust on the fly with the sx se. But it may not be possible because those buttons also change things on the display.
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Re: ECU Flashing

Post by WR-NA » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:58 am


cOoTeR wrote:
Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:18 pm
After riding mine outta hard to believe that the throttle bodies are starting to close around 6,500 rpms. It just keeps accelerating.
Don't know where that 6500 comes from, it's 8500 and after where the electronic throttle is being reduced. The degree at which it is restricted varies by gear as they stage it (more in the lower gears -> less in the higher gears) for ride-ability - I'm guessing. When you compare the entirety of the throttle maps from the H2 to the H2 SX you can see plainly they went for a less aggressive throttle profile on the H2 SX. Still far less than ideal and no where near what I would personally adjust them to on a bike I owned or was working on. But their head was in the right place at least.

1st through 3rd
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AT 100% physical TPS here is the actual electronic throttle values
9000 - 100%
10000 - 97.3%
11000 - 82.4%
12000 - 46.3%
12500 and beyond - 13.3%

4th
Image
AT 100% physical TPS here is the actual electronic throttle values
9000 - 100%
10000 - 97.3%
11000 - 82.4%
12000 - 46.3%
12500 and beyond - 21.2%

5th
Image
9000 - 100%
10000 - 97.3%
11000 - 82.4%
12000 - 49.8%
12500 and beyond - 35.3%

6th
Image
9000 - 100%
10000 - 97.3%
11000 - 82.4%
12000 - 57.3%
12500 and beyond - 52.2%
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Re: ECU Flashing

Post by cOoTeR » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:14 am


WR-NA wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:58 am
cOoTeR wrote:
Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:18 pm
After riding mine outta hard to believe that the throttle bodies are starting to close around 6,500 rpms. It just keeps accelerating.
Don't know where that 6500 comes from, it's 8500 and after where the electronic throttle is being reduced. The degree at which it is restricted varies by gear as they stage it (more in the lower gears -> less in the higher gears) for ride-ability - I'm guessing. When you compare the entirety of the throttle maps from the H2 to the H2 SX you can see plainly they went for a less aggressive throttle profile on the H2 SX. Still far less than ideal and no where near what I would personally adjust them to on a bike I owned or was working on. But their head was in the right place at least.

1st through 3rd
Image
AT 100% physical TPS here is the actual electronic throttle values
9000 - 100%
10000 - 97.3%
11000 - 82.4%
12000 - 46.3%
12500 and beyond - 13.3%

4th
Image
AT 100% physical TPS here is the actual electronic throttle values
9000 - 100%
10000 - 97.3%
11000 - 82.4%
12000 - 46.3%
12500 and beyond - 21.2%

5th
Image
9000 - 100%
10000 - 97.3%
11000 - 82.4%
12000 - 49.8%
12500 and beyond - 35.3%

6th
Image
9000 - 100%
10000 - 97.3%
11000 - 82.4%
12000 - 57.3%
12500 and beyond - 52.2%
I got it from a post on another thread,
vcyclenut wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:17 pm
I was looking through the autralian/euro file last nite.


the throttle restrictions on the bike are just stupid. In full power mode you get 100% throttle for a 500 rpm block around 6000 rpm's!! and as Anthony said it cuts the throttle back to around 16% in the upper rev range.
Are you referring to the H2 for the throttle bodies that are starting to close at 8,500?

But either way whether they are starting to close at 6,500 or 8,500 rpms you can't feel it, it keeps acceleration h2 fast.

Derestricted these bikes are going to be insane!
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Re: ECU Flashing

Post by WR-NA » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:57 am


cOoTeR wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:14 am
I got it from a post on another thread

Are you referring to the H2 for the throttle bodies that are starting to close at 8,500?

But either way whether they are starting to close at 6,500 or 8,500 rpms you can't feel it, it keeps acceleration h2 fast.
I can't speak to what he is or is not seeing and whether he is or is not right. My methodology for tuning ETV maps is vastly different than others especially since Yamaha/Suzuki/Honda handle ETV maps vastly different from Kawasaki and not a lot of people know or get that.

What I am referring to is strictly the H2 SX ETV maps at WOT since that is what 98% of the people out there express interest in or numbers on a chart on a WOT pull. There are gaps all around the map and like I said it is far from ideal. For reference at WOT on the H2 the ETV values hit 100% @ 7K RPMs and hold that same value until 10K RPMs and then they back off the electronic throttle. Compared to the H2 SX at WOT where ETV values hit 100% @ 9K RPMs and immediately start backing them off but to a larger degree in comparison to the H2. That combined with the other things they are doing in the mapping is why there is such a large power gain in the top end near redline.

ETV mapping is more than just WOT - especially on the Kawi models. You can do too much and actually hurt performance. So unless you know exactly how the ETV value relates to the TPS value and vice-versa in the mapping, and/or you can view the ETV value in relation to the TPS value you're kind of shooting in the dark by just adjusting the map values. That is where things like the Log Box or where tuners like VCyclenut who have a knowledge of how it works come into play and how it relates to rider feedback. Not to mention it doesn't hurt that he has his own and is constantly refining his mapping and not just for numbers on a chart but actual real world feedback/results from him and others.

But yes, I totally agree - once people start getting their bikes and either getting the DIY kits, bringing into their local tuner to have tuned for them or use a send in service like VCyclenut a lot of impressions about the bikes from both owners and people riding alongside them will change. Not to mention as more and more products are released for the bike, results will get even more impressive. Look at where we where with the H2 when 250-260WHP was impressive now we have bikes that are daily driver reliable putting down 330+ WHP with supporting mods/tuning.
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Re: ECU Flashing

Post by cOoTeR » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:37 am


cOoTeR wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:14 am
WR-NA wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:58 am
cOoTeR wrote:
Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:18 pm
After riding mine outta hard to believe that the throttle bodies are starting to close around 6,500 rpms. It just keeps accelerating.
Don't know where that 6500 comes from, it's 8500 and after where the electronic throttle is being reduced. The degree at which it is restricted varies by gear as they stage it (more in the lower gears -> less in the higher gears) for ride-ability - I'm guessing. When you compare the entirety of the throttle maps from the H2 to the H2 SX you can see plainly they went for a less aggressive throttle profile on the H2 SX. Still far less than ideal and no where near what I would personally adjust them to on a bike I owned or was working on. But their head was in the right place at least.

1st through 3rd
Image
AT 100% physical TPS here is the actual electronic throttle values
9000 - 100%
10000 - 97.3%
11000 - 82.4%
12000 - 46.3%
12500 and beyond - 13.3%

4th
Image
AT 100% physical TPS here is the actual electronic throttle values
9000 - 100%
10000 - 97.3%
11000 - 82.4%
12000 - 46.3%
12500 and beyond - 21.2%

5th
Image
9000 - 100%
10000 - 97.3%
11000 - 82.4%
12000 - 49.8%
12500 and beyond - 35.3%

6th
Image
9000 - 100%
10000 - 97.3%
11000 - 82.4%
12000 - 57.3%
12500 and beyond - 52.2%
I got it from a post on another thread,
vcyclenut wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:17 pm
I was looking through the autralian/euro file last nite.


the throttle restrictions on the bike are just stupid. In full power mode you get 100% throttle for a 500 rpm block around 6000 rpm's!! and as Anthony said it cuts the throttle back to around 16% in the upper rev range.
Are you referring to the H2 for the throttle bodies that are starting to close at 8,500?

But either way whether they are starting to close at 6,500 or 8,500 rpms you can't feel it, it keeps accelerating fast.

Derestricted these bikes are going to be insane!
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Re: ECU Flashing

Post by vcyclenut » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:54 pm


the 6000 rpm was my bad looking at the chart and remembering it wrong , like you said though any way you look at it the restrictions are huge as evident by woolichs intital results
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Re: ECU Flashing

Post by Switch18 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:09 pm


WR-NA wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:38 pm
JonTheChron wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:09 pm
I was hoping we would see a bump from 12k to 14k to match the h2's RPM?
That I think is going to take some new (better) valve springs than what the SX comes with. I think there are a few differences in the top end between the H2 and the SX.

Anthony

I would love to take the SX into the 200mph club.
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