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Re: Is it true that the European H2SX's have

Post by Champ87 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:31 pm


Tony Nitrous wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:35 am
That’s a little bit odd.
UK / EU bikes have to meet different specs to AU, US and NZ bikes.
True. Maybe Euro standards are stringent enough to satisfy Aus requirements so Kawasaki don't see the need to provide mapping specific to AU & NZ.

USA & Canada are a different story. The base maps have different mapping and different limitations - hence ProfJ's original question.

A separate thought - the 85 mph limit on the cruise control for US spec bikes is a curious one. I guess it's just coincidence that, for a short time, 85 mph was the max. figure that car & motorcycle speedometers displayed. Along with the national 55 mph speed limit introduced in response to the "energy crisis", the USA had laws stating that speedometers couldn't display beyond 85 mph - although the vehicles were not restricted. Anyone remember that?
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Re: Is it true that the European H2SX's have

Post by JustinP » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:17 pm


Champ87 wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:31 pm
A separate thought - the 85 mph limit on the cruise control for US spec bikes is a curious one. I guess it's just coincidence that, for a short time, 85 mph was the max. figure that car & motorcycle speedometers displayed. Along with the national 55 mph speed limit introduced in response to the "energy crisis", the USA had laws stating that speedometers couldn't display beyond 85 mph - although the vehicles were not restricted. Anyone remember that?
Yup, I remember the 85 Mph speedos. But as far as why Kawi decided on 85 MPH for the cruise limit, that's most likely because 85 MPH is the highest speed limit in the US.
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Re: Is it true that the European H2SX's have

Post by DeRox » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:18 pm


Well, in The Netherlands the highest speed limit is 130kmh (80mph), but still I can put the cruise at 200kmh (125mph). But maybe that's because we can ride in nearby Germany as fast as we dare? :yes:
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Re: Is it true that the European H2SX's have

Post by Prof J » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:49 am


I'd sure like to get my hands on a full ECU dump from a western Europe model and a U.S., also.
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Re: Is it true that the European H2SX's have

Post by black-k1 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:39 am


DeRox wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:18 pm
Well, in The Netherlands the highest speed limit is 130kmh (80mph), but still I can put the cruise at 200kmh (125mph). But maybe that's because we can ride in nearby Germany as fast as we dare? :yes:
I think you've answered your own question. The EU spec bike will be for the whole of the EU (and possibly more) and this includes Germany with those wonderful, unrestricted Autobahns. :D
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Re: Is it true that the European H2SX's have

Post by zxhoya » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:13 pm


JustinP wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:50 pm
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I have asked woolich to add it many times as I would really like to be able to set it higher also
Woolich Racing posted in the thread below that if they could get a bike in Australia they can look into that.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1135&start=10

Any owners in Australia that want to be a test mule?
I'm assuming that a US ECU is required for this process right? And shouldn't Woolich have a US ECU already in their possession or have the means to get one so this code can be broken, seriously.
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Re: Is it true that the European H2SX's have

Post by JustinP » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:03 pm


zxhoya wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:13 pm
JustinP wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:50 pm

Woolich Racing posted in the thread below that if they could get a bike in Australia they can look into that.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1135&start=10

Any owners in Australia that want to be a test mule?
I'm assuming that a US ECU is required for this process right? And shouldn't Woolich have a US ECU already in their possession or have the means to get one so this code can be broken, seriously.
Not sure, but they might be able to use any ECU to figure out how the system works so they can code a work around.
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Re: Is it true that the European H2SX's have

Post by WR-NA » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:47 pm


zxhoya wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:13 pm
JustinP wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:50 pm
vcyclenut wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:56 pm
I have asked woolich to add it many times as I would really like to be able to set it higher also
Woolich Racing posted in the thread below that if they could get a bike in Australia they can look into that.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1135&start=10

Any owners in Australia that want to be a test mule?
I'm assuming that a US ECU is required for this process right? And shouldn't Woolich have a US ECU already in their possession or have the means to get one so this code can be broken, seriously.
JustinP wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:03 pm
zxhoya wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:13 pm
JustinP wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:50 pm

Woolich Racing posted in the thread below that if they could get a bike in Australia they can look into that.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1135&start=10

Any owners in Australia that want to be a test mule?
I'm assuming that a US ECU is required for this process right? And shouldn't Woolich have a US ECU already in their possession or have the means to get one so this code can be broken, seriously.
Not sure, but they might be able to use any ECU to figure out how the system works so they can code a work around.

It's not a matter of having the ECU, it's a matter of being able to test out the function on the dyno as to check and test things with ECU code it's kind of hard to do that stuff on the street. I have asked for it to be looked at many times (and it is on the to do list) but there are more higher priority developments at this time so this will be revisited when they come back to do maintenance and updates on the definition.
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Re: Is it true that the European H2SX's have

Post by zxhoya » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:32 pm


Thanks WR-NA
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Re: Is it true that the European H2SX's have

Post by Prof J » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:21 am


WR-NA wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:47 pm
It's not a matter of having the ECU, it's a matter of being able to test out the function on the dyno as to check and test things with ECU code it's kind of hard to do that stuff on the street. I have asked for it to be looked at many times (and it is on the to do list) but there are more higher priority developments at this time so this will be revisited when they come back to do maintenance and updates on the definition.
I'm thinking, for the sake of H2SX science, open source any ECU dump, for all to play with. This is not asking for any private company proprietary work, Davids', Woolichs', etc, not asking them to release their proprietary software, maps etc, but rather just an ECU dump, it someone has one, or knows how to get one.

I do understand that someone with tech experience would have to of had the 'knowledge'/experience to pull an ECU dump.
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