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FAREWELL and a small warning

Post by 2HYPR » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:18 pm


Last week I had to say farewell to my beloved sx se, it was an emotional farewell and a bit like attending your best mates autopsy - no one should see that.

This has been hands down one of the best all-rounder motorcycle I have owned and had the joy of riding - and I am sorry I pushed him so far.

Lessons learnt - you cannot make an sx se into a H2, there are limits and precautions you should take.

At 22,000 kilometres number three piston cracked a land between compression rings, combustion pressure then pressurised the crank forcing just about all the oil from the crank up into the airbox via the crank vent tube. The oil then pushed into the supercharger and plenum etc. The bore was fine (stopped quickly) but obviously a major failure.

To their absolute credit my dealer stood by me, without fuss and underwent the large job of repair, but I couldn't imagine having the bike back in a lesser state of tune "to be safe" and would always be worrying if it will go again...... solved the dilemma by buying a H2 for absolute balls to the wall riding - and envisage picking up another stock sx se for daily stuff, and leaving it exactly as Mr Kawasaki built it.

This is the third tuned sx se I know that has gone the exact same way. Sx Se runs higher compression than H2 ( gives that low-end torque) and guys I really think the pistons in the sx se are not built to take continual impassioned riding with tunes pulling 230+ HP out of them. This had nothing to do with leaning out or bad AFR - the metal in the piston (in my opinion) is just not up to the task - and I reckon Kawasaki Corporate know it. Kawasaki corporate has directed all dealers to stop offering flash tunes and mods for sx, but more interesting had ample piston sets in stock, while more numerous models like a Z10RR you would have to wait 2 weeks for, very suss as I think at last count there are no more than 40 sx in my country and hundreds of z10RR's. I do not think they thought so many of us would chase the performance envelope and would be happy with a super comfy sports tourer with 180 HP and the H2 badge on it.

If you are tuned please be super careful of your oil levels, do not overfill. If you overfill the crank will slap your oil into a cappuccino froth that will go up the crank vent and settle back into a fluid in your airbox - with highly likely ingress into the combustion cycle. Decrease your oil change intervals and do the filter every change - staying with factory service intervals is not good enough once you tune-up.

Again I reiterate this is not me bagging this bike - I did 22,000 kays in 8 months and loved every one of them, the dealer was rock solid in looking after me which in of itself is awesome, but please know in my opinion there are limits that some components in the bike will ultimately just not handle.

So 2HYPR is now a H2, on an upside, all the carbon (including the rims) transferred across no fuss, and we are off for first track day tomorrow.

Last bit of cautionary advice - the Sx Se is a gateway drug - the H2 is a natural progression and just as addictive, the power and performance of both these bikes set them apart and ownership of either makes us unique in a crowd and giggling in our helmets on every ride!

Be safe - have fun - see you on the other forum when you progress to the next level. :D
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Re: FAREWELL and a small warning

Post by cOoTeR » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:30 am


So you can't run an h2 sx se on a tune for 248whp with just exhaust air filter and carbon fiber wheels?

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Stock with airfilter 164whp 84ft.lbs
De-restricted + tuned 213whp 97ft.lbs
Full vandemon exhaust with tune 221whp 99ft.lbs
On Race Fuel 233whp 103ft.lbs

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Re: FAREWELL and a small warning

Post by BoostedOne » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:25 am


I've never understood the people buying this bike and trying to push it to modded H2 power numbers. Just buy an H2 if that's what you desire.

I have no desire for an H2/H2R, otherwise I would have bought one. :lol:
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Re: FAREWELL and a small warning

Post by 2HYPR » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:14 am


cOoTeR wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:30 am So you can't run an h2 sx se on a tune for 248whp with just exhaust air filter and carbon fiber wheels?

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=725
Yes you can - but apparently only for 22,000 kilometers...... as you have self exhibited, you on the other hand, will always be an egotistical wanker, that will never change...
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Re: FAREWELL and a small warning

Post by Prof J » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:10 am


2HYPR wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:18 pm Last week I
Be safe - have fun - see you on the other forum when you progress to the next level. :D
Thanks for posting that up. Always good to maintain a broad perspective.
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Re: FAREWELL and a small warning

Post by cOoTeR » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:56 am


2HYPR wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:14 am
cOoTeR wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:30 am So you can't run an h2 sx se on a tune for 248whp with just exhaust air filter and carbon fiber wheels?

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=725
Yes you can - but apparently only for 22,000 kilometers...... as you have self exhibited, you on the other hand, will always be an egotistical wanker, that will never change...
Says the guy who brought up my skepticism every time anyone posted their dyno results. Best of luck to you prick.
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De-restricted + tuned 213whp 97ft.lbs
Full vandemon exhaust with tune 221whp 99ft.lbs
On Race Fuel 233whp 103ft.lbs

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Re: FAREWELL and a small warning

Post by KompreSXor » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:26 am


It’s great to get some info on reliability, and I’m sorry yours went bang. I’ve had a flash and it is a worry on relatively new, not long term tested hardware.

Have you raced it, or spent long times at the redline?
Have you had the redline rpm raised over standard?
Have you had the cat/lambda/servo/pair system deleted?
What oil?

I decided for zx10r headers and full size end can, with no increase in redline rpm, everything above mapped out and always fully synthetic silkoIene oil..
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Re: FAREWELL and a small warning

Post by Prof J » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:10 am


2HYPR wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:18 pm
This is the third tuned sx se I know that has gone the exact same way.
2HYPR, yours is the first I've heard of failing like it did. How are the other engine fails similar or different?
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Re: FAREWELL and a small warning

Post by Reciprocal » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:58 pm


Not trying to be unfair, but 2HYPR it does seem as noted, your tendencies lack transparency, and maturity. You brag about destroying V4 Panigales, S1000rr's and R1's, your online videos show lots of high rpm running, your inquiry about an SX engine for sale, your questioning the dealer oil fill practice, observation of metal sludge in the oil, oil in the airbox; you had your suspicions all along. You don't know squat about maintenance and you drove the piss out it mate! I had to look up the slang term "wanker" you use on your antagonists, I assume it takes one to know one. Rather than commenting on the particulars about the moment of your engine failure, you wrote a dramatic fare thee well to embark the next level of H2; Guy Martin has nothing to fear.
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Re: FAREWELL and a small warning

Post by Zdude » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:36 pm


I would think if this was an issue that is frequently occurring then this board would be the place you would see more examples. I know there are many on here including myself that have re-tuned these bikes and a few that are serious high performance riders and are certainly engaging in conduct that would expose a weak or suspect powerplant by now. Your the only one I have heard of who has had this type of failure and after riding mostly Kawasaki's for the past 40 + years, many tuned far beyond what we are doing here and not ever experiencing any type of failure, I would be shocked if team green put out a lemon wearing their highest badge of corporate pride, specially a supercharged one. Anything can fail but these bikes are usually so bullet proof that when they do fail, it is most often the owner's or rider's fault. Sorry you experienced this and hopefully your new H2 will prove reliable as I think most "Kwackers" are. Good luck!
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